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We talk all day about how Bucky Barnes deserved better and YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT HE DID, but you know who ALSO deserved better? Steve Rogers. Steve Rogers who watched his best friend and love of his life fall and couldn’t save him?? Steve Rogers who, thanks to the serum that saved his life and allowed him the OPPORTUNITY to be the last thing Bucky saw, couldn’t get drunk??? Steve Rogers who woke up in a new fucking century and was IMMEDIATELY LIED TO. Steve “You’re My Friend” Rogers who was going to let the man he loved BASH HIS SKULL IN rather than lock Bucky up. Steve Rogers fucking DESERVED BETTER and we GOTTA talk about it more y’all, PLEASE
soundescapeplans asked: Writing question! 1st person and 3rd-person-from-someone's-POV--what other narrator choices are there? Thoughts on 2nd person? Is there such a thing as cinematic narration--inside no one's head but shown all of the things a movie would show to get a sense of what people are thinking? Basically, what are your thoughts on perspective and narration?
Second POV is difficult because some of these are not actual second POV; I just didn’t know where else to put them. The way I refer to them here isn’t anything fancy or official, just how I personally refer to them.
True second
You stand on the side of the road, complacent, wondering how many chicken bones you ate.
“You” is primary pronoun and functions like first or third-limited
Somewhat experimental, unfortunately frowned upon (but one of my favorites)
Used more often in poetry and lyric essays than fiction
There are lots of different reasons you’d use this. In one of my stucky fics, I use second person because Bucky is brainwashed and talking to himself at a distance. Some people think it puts the reader closer to the text; some believes it distances the reader from the text.
One of my favorite writing exercises is writing your own “how to be a ______” with a facet of identity you embody. How to be a fangirl. How to be a tumblr ancient. How to be a bisexual disaster. It’s a lot of fun, and the results are always great.
Direct address
I implore you, dear reader, please avoid the chicken bones.
Or
I miss you, Nancy, and your goblinesque gnawing of chicken bones.
Addressing the audience/another character directly
Not actually second person but often first (or you could do it in third)
I don’t have an example for this one; I’m working on a novel right now that’s first person direct address, where “you” is the woman who is the obsession of the narrator.
Epistolary
Dear Karen, go choke on a chicken bone. Love, Helen
Epistolary format is something written as a letter, so it’s like direct address, but more specific
Also not technically a POV, just a form
Third person
Limited
She thinks about buying a bucket of chicken.
Used in fiction with alternating POVs; as popular as first person
We’re only in the mind of one person, can only see/think what they do
Generally speaking, no head-hopping mid-scene
Narration is often reflective of the character’s thoughts and voice
Description/knowledge cannot go beyond the literal scope of the character’s mind, which is to say, if you’re character is blindfolded, he can’t see a door opening and closing, but he can hear it. So you wouldn’t be able to describe the stained-glass inlay of the door
Omniscient
He stares for a long moment at the fried chicken menu, then flits through his wallet.
Either the narrator has no insights into the minds of characters (cinematic), or all insights into the minds of characters (head-hopping)
This answers one of your questions – yes, you can write in third person without a specific narrator and without being inside the mind of any character, but it is (for me anyway) extremely difficult
Ex: (cinematic) Plainsong by Kent Haruf (novel, not full text)
to my knowledge, this is every possible POV you can have. i’ve provided examples of fiction, but all of these can be considered for poetry and nonfiction also. note that POV is different than tense, form, and style, which are close cousins of POV (although i have provided some examples that toe the line).
how to choose a POV that is right for your piece is another task entirely. my advice is to choose what excites you most, and experiment as often as you can. if you feel overly limited by one POV over another, then go with the one you find more freeing. if you really can’t decide, write one scene in your gut instinct, then rewrite it in a different POV and see which you like better.
all voices are created equal. there is no one voice that is worse than another, only ones that work with the piece you’re writing.
What I want to see is a mutual pining fic where everyone else knows they’re in love and have been for ages… because everyone else thinks they’re already together.
scenarios:
it being assumed that each member of the pair will plan the other’s birthday parties
the pining pair getting each other “consolation” Valentine’s Day gifts
the friend group inviting the pair to a wedding without a plus-one option
the friend group inviting the pair to stay over and only supplying one bed, because of course they only need one bed
friend group using one member of the pair as an answering machine for the other person
the pair answering questions like “do you ever think about getting married” with a resounding no because if they admit yes, they’ll end up gushing all their secret hopes and dreams regarding the other one, and the other one doesn’t want to get married anyway, so the point is moot
enough people asking why they don’t live together that they end up moving in together, relieved they weren’t the one to bring it up
the parents of one inviting the other to all family gatherings and it being established which way they share on holidays
whenever someone asks a member of the pair, alone, why they haven’t moved to the next stage of their relationship, the person responds that they’re afraid to lose the other and all that jazz, with everyone on entirely different pages as to what “the next stage” means
they’re each other’s emergency contact, for all those H/C opportunities
MORE THOUGHTS ON ASSUMED RELATIONSHIP TROPE
the siblings of one referring to the other as their sibling too (ditto for nieces/nephews/niblings)
parents of one insisting on taking the other one out for their birthday, too
parents dropping hints about grandchildren (adult child assumes it’s about their single status, presumed partner assumes it’s due to how they’re considered a family member who could also provide “grandchildren”)
seating arrangements always putting the two together (meals, movies, car rides)
follow-up to above: when there aren’t enough seats, one is expected to sit on the other’s lap when the other couples combine thusly
all their profile pics are of them together
the friend group intercedes when one of them gets flirted with by someone else because of the sheer level of awkward the pair exude
friend group members asking them (separately) for romantic advice in the certainty that they have it figured out, what with the awesome relationship
double-dates forever where they end up sitting next to each other while the other couple makes out during the movie
one ordering food/drink for the second while the second is in the restaurant/bar bathroom
ordering food with the assumption of sharing (bonus points for person being protective of their food against everyone else except their presumed partner)
one keeping track of the other’s allergies/medications and being the first to remind friend group about where the other can eat, etc.
friend group gets them both a pet/large gift/household item (bonus points of it’s for only ONE of their birthdays and not a gift-giving holiday)
POTENTIAL PLOT RESOLUTIONS
Add more tropes:
they need to fake date for something and are bewildered when no one notices
one of them needs to get married for a green card wedding. Whether they’re surprised or grateful when their entire friend group instantly confirms their cover story is up to you
THERE WAS ONLY ONE BED (as provided by the friend group)
OH MY GOD THEY WERE ROOMMATES (as talked into by the friend group)
a friend who is a writer openly says in an interview that their popular romantic couple is based on them
One person realizes:
Person A confesses love of Person B to Friend A. Friend A just assumed they were always together, and maybe the lack of sex is just because Person B is asexual(?). We progress into Didn’t Know They Were Dating trope with Person A assuming they were the one who didn’t know (but their partner totally does, right?)
OPTIONAL the same exact conversation takes place between Person B and Friend B as well.
BONUS POINTS if Person A and Person B pretend they both knew they were dating the entire time so as not to hurt the other’s feelings.
ALTERNATE BONUS POINTS if neither is actually asexual, have the truth come out when one person refers to the other as ace and it spirals into “But YOU’RE ace!” “But I thought YOU were ace!” and the UST of cuddling is abruptly resolved
Misc:
friend group realizes and Much Ado About Nothing Ensues
for Contrived Plot Reasons (unicorns, spells, etc), the virginity of one is made public and the assumption is revealed
Person A goes on a date with someone else and the entire friend group is AGHAST AT THIS CHEATING, but Person B is just resigned and going “I just want them to be happy…” while everyone shouts to not give up on their love
new friend in friend group just outright asks, spawning massive confusion
Being assertive is not the same as being aggressive. Listen to his tone of voice and volume (low, calm), look at his body language (keeps to himself as much as possible, esp in disagreements with co-workers or friends).
Look at this:
The most he does during that first discussion over The Accords is twist his upper body around and point one elbow in subtle defence, and that was because Tony loomed over him while arguing.
Tony is an aggressor, an antagonist (something even Rdj said too) in most situations he’s in.
Steve is quietly assertive. In most cases he walks away from arguments instead of sticking around to argue; he goes away and does his own thing. Steve isn’t interested in being aggressive or arguing with anyone, he’s too busy trying to get on with his job. He’s a level headed leader in control of his temper, and he rarely shows his temper to anyone else. He’s considerate to a fault.
It really bugs me to see any OOC angry Steve bc that’s just not him.
Comics Tony: yells at Steve “I told you so!”
Comics Steve: cuts him off mid rant bc they’re in the middle of an emergency and he’s busy, sorry Tony but you do go on 😂
(It was Namor Steve was playing peacemaker with. Because that’s who Steve is, that’s what he does.)
The best tribute to Steve Rogers. Gosh, I watched it for 100 times and still was in awe how you could make this so perfect, painful and true to the heart of his characters.
little changes that may have made steve rogers more in character during endgame
- change the line “i went in the ice in ‘45, right after i met the love of my life. woke up 70 years later. you got to move on’ to ‘i woke up 70 years after meeting the woman i thought i’d marry. i lost my team. i lost my righthand man. i watched my best friend die for the second time. there comes to be a point when you’re not sure how much more you can lose, but somehow you have to find a way to keep going. if you can’t do it for yourself, do it for them.”
-rather than have him moping around nyc in suburban dad button downs, have him actively searching for an Answer. this is steve rogers we’re talking about, the man who never gives up, who never stops, who would die trying, who never takes the easy way out. i understand endgame was trying to say the Snap was his breaking point, and that he was Tired and beginning to lose faith in his system of values/morals, and maybe a lesser man would have, but not steve rogers. if anything, i think the snap would have pushed him to instability– not eating enough, not sleeping, pushing his body to extremes, always looking and searching for something that might not be there
-have him be the one to let scott out of the van. after five years of dead ends and false leads, he finally makes his way to a storage unit in san fran, to an old van. but its just an old van, and his heart breaks a little bit more. he sits in the seat, exhausted and drained from another failure, and absent mindedly presses buttons. something lights off, and suddenly, a CRASH.
-rather than looking at the compass w a picture of peggy, have him watch an old video on his phone of him, nat, sam, bucky and wanda on a quiet day– his family.
-at the end of the battle w thanos, he sees bucky and his face crumples, and falls sobbing into his best friend’s arms, the man he’s watched die twice, and we hear a quiet, “its ok, stevie”
-this doesn’t really have to do w anything but i would have loved a team cap reunion scene, and a scene where they mourn natasha together
So I was watching Captain America: Civil War again. And I realised something.
That bit at the end, where they find Zemo? They’re in Siberia. At the Hydra facility. Where Bucky Barnes was held, and trained, and conditioned, and tortured as the Winter Soldier. That’s his chair, right there. One of his chairs. He has at least one more – we saw one in Washington DC in CA:WS. But this is the big one. This is where he was given the order to kill Howard and Maria Stark, among others.
He’ll have a lot of memories associated with this place. A lot of very traumatic memories. He didn’t want to come here, we saw that in his face earlier. But he came anyway. Because Steve needs him.
That’s Steve Rogers on the left. And Tony Stark, also on the left.
Bucky’s on the right, gun lifted, every muscle tense. The positioning of the scene means he’s separated from the others – physically and almost certainly mentally.
Look at his face.
Look at the terror. The barely-restrained panic. The stubborn determination to see this through – and he fully expects itto be a fight to the death against five other Winter Soldiers. It will mean his death and Tony’s death and Steve’s death, and then the world will fall and it will be his fault, because Bucky was the weakest of the six Winter Soldiers and he knows it. He knows he’s no match for even one of the other Soldiers, let alone all of them. He knows he will probably die here, in this place that has already caused him so much pain and suffering.
(Also, for the entirety of Steve’s conversation with Zemo, Bucky’s in the background by the railing. We don’t see a reaction shot until after Tony finds out about his parents. But what’s Bucky doing there? Staring at the chair, trying not to throw up, perhaps? Trying not to pass out from the onslaught of memories, the emotional distress of being in such close proximity to the thing that was used to torture him for decades?)
He’s gripping that gun pretty tightly. He’s on edge. Maybe fighting the pull of his mind combined with this environment. In the previous scene, even when it was clear that Tony wasn’t about to shoot them on sight, he didn’t lower the gun until Steve physically waved him down. Was it because it was Steve, specifically, giving the order? Or was it his mind recognising a command from a superior officer?
He doesn’t want to be here.
He knows he’ll probably die here.
But he made a promise to Steve.
This? This is the end of the line.
And Bucky sure as hell is going to go down fighting.